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The road to a low pollution future: rail

By Greg Harvey

Posted November 12, 2008 09:20:00
Updated November 12, 2008 09:40:00

A freight train passes through a suburban railway station

Rail freight is one of the most carbon-efficient methods for transporting freight long distances. (ABC News: Giulio Saggin, file photo)

As Australia edges closer toward the introduction of an emissions trading scheme, it is high time for a serious discussion about the climate debate's poor third cousin: transport.

The transport industry is the third largest emitter of carbon in Australia, behind manufacturing and agriculture.

While all the talk has been about manufacturing and clean coal technology and how the government will offset the costs to business, there has been little serious talk of the need to address our increasing reliance on road transport.

There are immediate opportunities available to federal and state governments to reduce carbon emissions in the short term.

The first is the greater utilisation of rail for long distance freight. Rail freight is one of the most carbon-efficient methods for transporting freight long distances. Road accounts for 89 per cent of greenhouse gases from the freight transport sector. Rail accounts for 6 per cent.

One intermodal freight train travelling between Sydney and Melbourne replaces 150 trucks and saves 45,000 litres of fuel and 44 tonnes of greenhouse gases.

Shifting 20 per cent of Australia's articulated truck task to rail would save 400 million tonnes of fuel each year.

Yet on current trends, road freight is set to increase by at least 118 per cent by 2020. This equates to an additional 50,000 trucks thundering along Australian highways by 2020. Rail freight is on track to increase by only half of that.

Unfortunately, the Federal Government's discussion paper on its Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme (CPRS) advocates road freight transport be protected from any cost increase on fuel. No such protection is proposed for rail freight.

Greater use of rail freight is limited by current infrastructure. Significant investment is needed to boost capacity. In fact, some $5 billion worth of work is needed to upgrade rail links between Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne. It's a lot of money, but just half the amount the NSW Government has requested from the Federal Government to upgrade the Pacific Highway.

More investment in public transport is equally vital to cutting carbon emissions.

Public transport systems in all states are experiencing large increases in patronage, largely due to the spiralling cost of fuel. But in many Australian cities it has become apparent that public transport systems have been pushed beyond their capacity.

Australians are willing to utilise public transport, if it is available and efficient. However state administrations are struggling to find the funds for important projects - like public transport links reaching out to the mortgage belts of our major cities, which would reduce reliance on cars.

Australia is one of the few countries in the world where the Federal Government does not assist in funding public transport infrastructure. It's time for that to change.

These are difficult economic times. That makes it more important than ever that the Federal Government give top priority to transport projects and assist the states in reaching their transport planning goals.

The science tells us we that we need to act fast to mitigate the effects of climate change. Transport initiatives that enable us to get cars off the road could significantly reduce carbon emissions, fast.

There is an economic cost to build and upgrade the necessary infrastructure but when compared to the alternative, it pales into insignificance. The benefits of smarter transport investment will be there for all to enjoy, immediately - less congestion, better cities, fewer road accidents, less expensive road maintenance and most important, reduced carbon emissions.

I welcome the Federal Government's determination to press ahead with its climate change targets, but let's face up to the challenge of cutting transport pollution, for our future's sake.

Greg Harvey is the national secretary of the Rail Tram and Bus Union.

Tags: environment, climate-change, air-pollution, government-and-politics, federal-government, rail-transport, road-transport, australia

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  • ravensclaw:

    12 Nov 2008 10:22:08am

    I have been a long supporter of speed rail for freight and passengers.

    Unfortunately it has been the environmental (socialist) activist that has stopped speed rail in its tracks everytime the issue is raised.

    Wind farms will kill more native animals then speed rail.

    Cheers

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      • Full Steam Ahead:

        12 Nov 2008 11:38:41am

        While I don't support wind farms per se, (just another token green energy source the utilities can use to bolster their green cred) I think your 'socialist' and environmentalist swipe is misdirected. Most speed rail or any other rail project for that matter is usually buried by the truck lobby (Lindsay Fox's, Toll and the like). Companies like Linfox and Toll have a lot to lose and it's only now that some of these companies like Toll have a cut of the privatised freight rail network that any interest is being shown in rail again. Despite that it is probably the only way to move large tonnages, long distances with any efficiency and safety.

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      • pseudomys:

        12 Nov 2008 11:47:06am

        I think you'll find most environmentalists would support high speed rail.

        It was the Howard government who rejected the proposal, twice, for a Sydney-Canberra high-speed rail link.

        http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/skys-not-the-limit/465166.aspx


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          • ravensclaw:

            12 Nov 2008 12:50:09pm

            pseudomys

            The high speed rail link between Sydney and Canberra had been proposed and put under attack several times before the Howard govt was elected?

            Which govt got the Darwin rail link thru and which political party tried to stop them?

            Cheers

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      • Frosty:

        12 Nov 2008 11:53:03am

        Can you name a single "environmental (socialist) activist organisation that opposes rail transport please?

        I do believe that you are misleading people here.

        If you are referring to The Greens, the political party, they are very supportive of transitioning from road to rail transport.

        If you have a look at your little green book and read what Chairman Bob says, you will find a very comprehensive policy on Sustainable Planning and Transport.

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          • ravensclaw:

            12 Nov 2008 12:21:31pm

            I doubt that.

            The Greens for starters

            Green activists have consistently opposed new rail developments by
            1. poking holes in environmental impact studies (either real or imagined, but always by grandstanding)
            2. making claims that new rail system will interfere with surrounding natural habitats.
            3. making claims of widespread tree destruction and thus destruction of habitats
            4. making claims of wildlife loss emphasing areas of endangered species

            Yeah well Bob and his crue often say one thing and do another... and when a commitment is made, change the goal posts. This is the past, present and future attitude of the Greens and other environmental groups for that matter.

            The Dorigo rail line is an example. Having non native tree plantations declared as protected national parks is an example of the lengths the greens will go to stop developments as has occurred in north eastern NSW.

            Cheers

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              • Brad:

                12 Nov 2008 1:28:03pm

                The Dorrigo rail line is a museum. What are you on about?

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              • Charles:

                12 Nov 2008 1:29:25pm

                You should check The Greens policy documents for clarification of you erroneous statements.

                The Dorrigo railway was closed by an act of parliament in 1993, so what are you referring to??

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              • G:

                12 Nov 2008 1:45:00pm

                How tedious.

                Infrastructure needs to be implemented intelligently Ravensclaw -
                It's not simply a matter of trying to put a windfarm up in the middle of the CBD in sydney (for example), and then being suprised when people say they're against it. Sure, a windfarm is good, but having it in the middle of the cbd is NOT.

                You can't, for example, attempt to put a rail line that demolishes part of the very forest that it is purported to save!.
                If you're going to dispute this point, then it's best to have a view of the whole picture, an not simply select isolated factual tidbits and mash them together in a way that both supports your point, but obscures the other essential details.

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          • ravensclaw:

            12 Nov 2008 12:53:08pm

            err how about all the left leaning ones.

            Why then did the Greens and other activists oppose the Darwin, Dorigo and Tasmanian lines?

            Cheers

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      • G:

        12 Nov 2008 12:06:52pm

        Are these statistics actually supported by fact?

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      • Odge:

        12 Nov 2008 12:28:40pm

        Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe speed rail has never been touted for freight. This item is about getting freight off the roads not executives from airports to meetings. I can just see a high speed carriage loaded with dangerous goods like fuel, chlorine

        Wasn't it the former Environment Minister of the former government who used the endangered parrot excuse to stop the Victorian wind farm development a couple of years ago? The environmentalists were for it.

        If you check the Greens policies you will find they have long advocated the use of rail for freight. Nothing new here, just glad to see the union putting their views forward too.

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          • CP:

            12 Nov 2008 1:13:23pm

            Well, freight wouldn't have to go on high speed rail, but high speed passenger trains would be nice. Flying is one of the more carbon-intensive things that we do and, with the price of aviation fuel continuing to rise, I'd say the days of cheap flights are numbered. That said, though, I don't enjoy spending 30 hours on a train to travel between capital cities (and I did that many times during my student days), so I'm entirely in favour of high speed rail for passenger transport.

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          • Brad:

            12 Nov 2008 1:18:59pm

            Not "high speed" like bullet train speeds, but freight trains in Europe travel at up to 140km/h quite safely.

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      • Charles:

        12 Nov 2008 1:24:53pm

        Actually, none of your comments are supported by The Greens policies, Ravensclaw.

        For a starters you have to look at the environment (speed) rail travels through to determine the rate of injuries to animals and the same goes for sustainable energy production by wind turbine.

        As evidenced in other replys to your post above you'll find that the high speed rail link was not stopped by "socialists".

        Also, the high speed rail link is not really the subject of the article.

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  • Fratelli:

    12 Nov 2008 10:26:11am

    Its true. Relying on truck and road transport in a country so large and widely-populated as ours is crazy. Rail is much more efficient.

    Having said that, I'm often dubious about taking on the opinion of someone who argues in favour of a certain industry on environmental grounds, when they are in fact a boss in the union for that industry.

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      • Patch:

        12 Nov 2008 10:50:10am

        Maybe in this case there are jobs and its good for the environment? Unions are not pro polluting just for fun!

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      • watcha:

        12 Nov 2008 11:06:10am

        I am perplexed as to why there are not trainloads of fully laden trucks heading between the state capitals every night.

        There would be savings to the environment, Roads, fuel and lives because of less truck accidents from tired drivers.

        Perhaps we need a 2010 summit to put forward some ideas from the general public that will actually be acted upon.

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          • Wambo:

            12 Nov 2008 1:03:36pm

            I reckon I know why trucks arn't on trains inter-city: 'cause their not wearing out rubber, burning fuel, using oil and adding K's so they wear out and the owner has to by a new one. Our economics is all about consuming if you hadn't noticed.

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      • Brad:

        12 Nov 2008 12:20:42pm

        Which is why I cannot understand the rationale behind B Triples. These behemoths supposedly improve productivity in the trucking industry, but because they are so massive the industry says they will only be used on trunk routes. Pretty much exactly where we already have railways!

        Governments on both sides have have treated building roads as an "investment" but building rail as an "expense". It's about time the imbalance between road and rail funding was fixed.

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      • Spooky:

        12 Nov 2008 12:21:00pm

        The problem is a lot more complicated then it is made out to be.

        Even if we did develop the rail network, we would still need freight to haul it to the final destination. We would be reducing the problem, but not fully dealing with it.

        Shifting to a rail dominant shipping network would require an overhaul of the entire system. We would need to build massive rail hubs, and seriously get our organisation together.

        Finally, even if we shift emphasis to trains, then new issues arise. More freight means more trains. Lots more trains. How are these trains going to be powered? Diesel engines? Or coal generated electricity?

        This is the entire point of this issue. The Greens have an idealistic view of climate change. They believe that the conversion is easy, and simply requires incentive.

        But just as this idea proves, the devil is in the detail.

        The need for us to convert to more sustainable methods is important. But the road will be expensive and long. We need to start looking at long term solutions, ways that we can gradually shift to sustainable processes. There is no quick fix. It will take decades of hard work and organisation.

        The sooner the politicians admit this truth to the public; the sooner people will start to believe them.

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          • me:

            12 Nov 2008 1:22:54pm

            I don't think there is any suggestion that improving rail infrastructure is 'easy' or 'simple'.

            That's exactly why we need to get on with the job now, rather than continue just talking and talking.

            Between two given points, eg Mel-> Syd, rail is so much more efficient than any other form of transport that it is impossible to justify not using rail, given the choice.

            Discussion of where the power for the trains comes from is actually not an issue, since even using diesel for truck and for train, the train is still vastly more efficient.

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              • WP:

                12 Nov 2008 4:02:09pm

                Define efficient.

                Eg

                Case 1

                Products loaded onto truck in Melbourne.
                Truck travels to rail yard in Melbourne
                Truck unloaded (Hopefully directly onto train, but more likely into holding area then train)
                Truck leaves for further loads from around Melbourne

                Train travels to Sydney, stopping many times on way to unload onto trucks and load from trucks.

                Arrive Sydney.
                Train unloads (most likely into holding area where it will then be loaded onto trucks). Lots of trucks, all waiting in a que.
                Truck travels to destination with load.
                Unload truck

                Lots of manpower and lots of infrastructure required as an interchange at each end, not to mention along the way.

                Case 2
                Load product onto truck at factory.
                Travel direct to destination
                Unload truck

                Case 1
                1. Load
                2. Travel
                3. Unload
                4. Load
                5. Travel
                6. Unload
                7. Load
                8. Travel
                9. Unload.

                Total 9 step each requires manpower, equipment and infrastructure required at each step.

                Case 2
                1. Load
                2. Travel
                3. Unload.

                Just 3 steps (and yes each requires manpower, infastructure and equipment, but a lot less)

                While I am sure more could go by rail than does, I dont think its near as simple to improve increase the amount of rail transport as people think.

                Rail is excellent where the same product is traveling the same rouite over and over (Look at coal and ion ore trains and commuter trains), but not so good for general transport of various products over various routes



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              • Brad:

                12 Nov 2008 4:18:19pm

                You're about 40 years out of date. Most rail freight goes in containers.

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          • CP:

            12 Nov 2008 1:27:20pm

            I don't think the Greens have ever claimed that this would be easy - and certainly none of the scientists have. But our system needs a massive overhaul to get away from carbon emissions anyway - and we've left things so late that at this stage the effort is going to be comparable to that required to support WWII (as various people keep pointing out to me).

            I suspect that the hope would be for trains to run on electricity and for as much of that electricity as possible to be generated via renewables. And yes, there will still need to be trucks for short hauls between rail hubs and the final destination - but by putting the long-haul freight on rail, we will have taken out a fairly sizable chunk of our carbon emissions. If we can manage to make the short-haul fleet (as well as the car fleet?) mostly electric, and have that electricity generated from renewable sources, we'd take out an even larger chunk of our carbon emissions. Yes, there is still a certain amount of research needed to do this, but electric vehicles are getting closer every day - so it's not impossible that we could achieve this within a few decades if we decided we wanted to - and we could certainly make the shift from long-haul trucks to rail with technology already available.

            This would also mean that we'd need to be making large (all right, massive) investments in renewable energy generation, but there's no reason that we couldn't get started on that as well, and keep adding to it as we go. And if you're worried about employment, an effort this large is likely to require an awful lot of people to achieve.

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              • John Michaels:

                12 Nov 2008 3:52:34pm

                Yes, it has been left so late to transfer over to renewables and to redesign the ways in which we consume. Certain industries have been allowed to run roughshod over the way public assets have been allowed to operate and this is why Australia has this massive task ahead and much less time to do anything about it.

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          • John:

            12 Nov 2008 1:44:20pm

            Capital cities use to have massive rail hubs. Sydney's was at Darling Harbour. If we can demolish rail hubs, we can just as easily rebuild them. A shift to rail is simple a matter of political will. There are no serious engineering or financial barriers. We once had a transport system centered on rail so there are no problems to be overcome, as we would simply be recreating what went before, treading an already trodden path.

            A modern recreation of the rail system could take advantage of all the advances in computer and control technology that have been made in the last 40 years, since the old system was dismantled. Most of it can be automated. We don't need drivers on trains. We don't need signalmen, shunters or crane drivers. Let computers handle all that. All we need is an automated dock at each end into which a truck carrying a standard container can be driven. A computerised crane loads/unloads the truck and the rail system handles the rest (load train, drive train to destination, unload train) automatically.

            Existing operators would hate it as it would be so efficient that there would be no demand for their inefficient dinosaur services. The increase in efficiency would cause an unprecedented boom for the rest of Australia.

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              • Mike:

                12 Nov 2008 2:25:59pm

                You can't rebuild rail hubs if the land has been sold to developers.

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              • james:

                12 Nov 2008 3:17:18pm

                indeed mike,

                in the long term, the financial viability that trucks brought a few decades ago was actually a step backwards and we cant just rebuild a rail yard in Darling harbour. The sad thing is, space in cities for rail corridors is very limited. While trams can go down the streets ok, i dont think people would like a massive freight train physically sharing their road and then you hit the problem of where to unload it. We are going to have to settle for rail hubs being 50-100 km outside our CBD's. at least long haul freight can go most of the way on rail.

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              • WP:

                12 Nov 2008 4:05:36pm

                Also people dont want huge trains passing their houses at night. very very noisy

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              • m1scha:

                12 Nov 2008 4:00:42pm

                There is a rail hub for NSW, it is at Parkes. Parkes will also be the hub for the north south line as well.

                Nice place too.

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          • PaulD:

            12 Nov 2008 3:01:37pm

            "Finally, even if we shift emphasis to trains, then new issues arise. More freight means more trains. Lots more trains. How are these trains going to be powered? Diesel engines? Or coal generated electricity?"

            ...exactly what do you think powers that fleet of trucks that is being replaced? If Greg Harvey's figures are anywhere near correct then you have a massive net improvement in fuel use using diesel trains.

            If the trains are electric (and that may not be feasible, given transmission losses) then you get economies of scale from generating power at a few locations rather than from the engines of 500 trucks making just enough for themselves.

            And you have the gall to say the Greens are simplistic?

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          • John Michaels:

            12 Nov 2008 3:23:54pm

            Part of the reason why it is so complicated is the failure 108 years ago to agree on a standard gauge to run from Cairns to Melbourne. This failure has led to bottlenecks in the existing rail network that can only be overcome by overhauling what is already there.

            As for the "diesel" powered locos, they can always be converted to run on vegetable oil. It doesn't matter if it's diesel anyway as the use of one train removes a large number of trucks.

            Yes, it will take time, hard work, and organisation. Sadly this hard work should have been started 30 years ago and here we sit still twiddling our thumbs looking for someone else to do it for us. If you like koalas so much go plant some koala specific eucalypts in your backyard.

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  • Charles:

    12 Nov 2008 10:30:10am

    The expansion of road networks at the expense of rail infrastructure is incredibly short sighted. Especially in regional areas and peripheral suburbs, rail infrastructure can save money and reduce emissions.

    Rail can deliver both passengers and cargo in very large quantity but throughout regional Australia rail lines are falling into disrepair and being removed.

    In NSW, the state government sacrifices critical rail infrastructure and keeps building roads, drawing more cars into gridlock, increasing emissions and creating ghettos of outer suburbs. The cost of public transport keeps increasing so that it is more expensive than private motor transport.

    Greg Hervey is correct stating that transport infrastructure needs complete government funding and immediate expansion. It should be an integral part of emission reduction targets and made a preferable alternative to private transport.

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      • sinekal:

        12 Nov 2008 12:13:47pm

        Charles the reasoning behind your appluadable short shirted observation is simple. Bureaucrats had to continue to justify rail running at continuing and mounting losses because of maintainence, low volumes, capital costs for expansion and delivery time frames vs road.

        As soon as the Federal Government introduced a 38 cent tax on fuel it became possible for the buraeucrats to prove (via revenue gained) that road transport was cheaper for Government to provide since they were already faced with road costs for motorists and suddenly had this cash bonanza.

        It is worth noting the 38 cents per litre levy has never been used fully for road constructiuon and maintainence. It was bled off the provide other more electorally popular brib woops sorry to provide social infrastructure.

        Even the Adelaide Darwin rail link built with the participation of Halliburton possibly to carry our new (actually second hand) American manufactured tanks is not making a profit but want to guess if the constructors made a profit?

        Why no profit? Because of the interest burden they have on the capital cost. Their cargo volumes are massive but cannot service the capital debt. What Government genius allowed this to occur? Possibly someone with connections to the constructors?

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          • Charles:

            12 Nov 2008 2:24:06pm

            I agree sinekal, the simplistic dollar vs' dollar trade of rail vs road is not really comparing apples with apples.
            However, the idea of a rail link with Darwin is as old as the city itself and nationally significant, engineering marvels like the Darwin link do not necessarily pay for themselves straight away. How long did the Harbour Bridge take to pay off..?
            One thing though, how does social infrastructure = bribery?

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              • james:

                12 Nov 2008 3:22:11pm

                Charles, you make a good point, but too bad people only want to look at the almighty dollar. The new passenger rail line in perth cost $1.66bn but it will save tens of thousands of cars a day from burning petrol (which costs money, not just pollution) and less families in the area will be forking out $30,000 each for a 2nd car to get to work.

                calculations are always done on short sighted costs, after all, elections are every 3 years and most politicians main goal is to be re-elected to their seat.

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          • WP:

            12 Nov 2008 4:13:01pm

            Another problem

            The gov pays for the road, and the consumer pays for the trucks and running costs.
            The cost of the transporting goods does not include the cost of the infrastructure that carries it.

            With rail, it does.

            Trucking is private enterprise, with all the efficiencies that go with that.

            Rail is owned and run by the government which couldnt run a teddies bear picnic.

            We need the gov to build world class rail infrastructure, then let private companies run rolling stock on it, just like we do for road.

            Then we may get movement back to rail.

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      • katie:

        12 Nov 2008 2:27:55pm

        One has to wonder why in the face of all the talk about the need to expand Australia rail networks, Newcastle city council is short sighted enough to consider removing the rail line into the city to build a new mall - maybe not so surprising for my coal sponsered community i guess

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      • chalkie:

        12 Nov 2008 3:24:40pm

        re regional trains: I am surprosed that the only model is for a large train towed by a manned locomotive. In regional areas there are (or until recently used to be) whole tracts of underused rail line. Surely, automated small trains trundling along at low speed but with higher frequency could offer an alternative. Why is is there are no alternative models / systems or options being considered?

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  • Paul:

    12 Nov 2008 10:30:28am

    I'm of the opinion that the rail links need to be upgraded, added to and overhead electric power added.

    Global warming is still being debated but at some time in the not to distant future oil will become so costly and scarce it will not be a viable fuel source.

    Most "clean" power generation theories seem to lead to electricity.

    Electric rail links for hauling freight between major population centres is "future proofing" of our transport infrastructure.

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      • John R:

        12 Nov 2008 11:00:13am

        Given this sentiment, it's curious that NSW stopped using electric freight locomotives around 2002 on economic grounds, and there's still talk of removing some existing electrified passenger rail lines - like the one to the centre of Newcastle.

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          • Charles:

            12 Nov 2008 11:17:50am

            Stopping the Newcastle line at Broadmeadow is more of a town planning initiative based on creating a connection from the city to the water front.
            It is also convenient for a bureaucracy that cuts off lines and branches so as to retain the approval of political masters who are determined to run public infrastructure like it could be a profitable private business where instead it should be a community service that makes everything else run efficiently.

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          • james:

            12 Nov 2008 3:28:37pm

            the cost of electrifying a line is enormous. Hydrogen trains are only about a decade away. It would be far cheaper both upfront and to maintain if we used non-electrified lines with hydrogen trains when they come, even when accounting for the additional energy we would require for conversion of electricty to hydrogen and back to electricity. It would take just a small fraction of the savings (from not electrifying the whole line) to increase renewable energy generation capacity to meet that extra energy demand which would come from the additional energy conversions required.

            I think one day in a few decades time, we may have no need for electrified lines.

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      • Sam Guest:

        12 Nov 2008 11:37:55am

        You could even add maglev to an all electric infrastructure, you can install alot of solar panels along the route.

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          • Brad:

            12 Nov 2008 12:02:14pm

            Maglev is an expensive amusement ride. It takes a horrendous amount of energy just to levitate the train, let alone get it moving. It also results in vendor lock in where competitive tendering for expansion is impossible.

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              • Sam Guest:

                12 Nov 2008 1:29:59pm

                Obviously it's expensive AT THE MOMENT, I'm saying that an all electric setup is good futureproofing for any advancements like maglev. Also, a Government funded roll out of maglev using solar panels would be self-sufficient and therefore incur very low running costs.

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      • pete:

        12 Nov 2008 12:28:17pm

        very interesting. it really would be a smart way to go. unfortunately WA deregulated the freight industry under the Court Government (Liberal). as such there has been a massive increase in truck traffic and truck related accidents. A road network has been proposed to cut right through a series of beautiful wetlands, to allow trucks to reach the Fremantle port, when a rail line already goes straight there!! the rail infrastructure is mostly already in place, with some upgrading and maintenance i would imagine it would be ready to go again.
        or does it seem people like choking in their cars as another series of trucks go by.


        can i point out that China has an large electrified rail network for both passenger and freight. very effective and cheap transport!! the rail network in China spans the entire breadth and width of the country!

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          • Brian:

            12 Nov 2008 2:37:53pm

            Good comment, Pete. The story of the Fremantle rail link is so typical of the sad history of rail closures across the country in favour of road freight over the last 50 years. It didn't happen suddenly, but was a slow erosion, and given the unarguable efficiencies of rail over road (which has nothing to do with the choice between diesel or electric), why are governments even discussing this? We are desparately in need of governments (State & Federal) who will return to a VISION for the long-term future of our wonderful country, one that is not going to be limited by their very short-term in office. What they have done, and will do, in regard to freight carrying is a very good indicator of their committment to our future well-being.

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  • John R:

    12 Nov 2008 10:35:36am

    How do you convince business to use rail when it is less convenient and more expensive? There are more unions to deal with, and more points of failure. It would be nice for freight to make more use of rail, but its difficult to justify infrastructure upgrades if there isn't strong enough demand to use it.

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      • twobob:

        12 Nov 2008 11:08:50am

        You could start by taking the subsidy from road and putting it into rail. You could go further by investing more in rail. I would suggest that the government raise funds for rail by selling shares to try to create a 51 ~ 49 % public private partnership in new rail. Given the finite nature of petrol those with money would jump on board so fast that the pollies heads would spin.

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      • Patch:

        12 Nov 2008 11:08:59am

        Would it be possible to either subsidise rail as being evironmentally friendly, or tax trucking for not being environmentally friendly? When the ETS comes in will that make any significant difference to which method is more affordable?

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      • Reddog:

        12 Nov 2008 11:52:22am

        Thank you Lindsay Fox for that input.

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      • Polimonitor:

        12 Nov 2008 11:54:09am

        The simple way to encourage business to use it is to make it cheaper. Perhaps by using rail as a form of offset against carbon. It needs a will and a bit of lateral thinking. Both remarkably short on supply when talking to public servants and government.

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      • Brad:

        12 Nov 2008 12:24:42pm

        Road is artificially cheaper because the trucking industry does not pay the full cost of the service. Roads are built and maintained as public assets so anybody can drive on them.

        Railways are built as commercial assets (albeit mostly government owned) and operators need to pay access fees to use them. The (mostly government) track owners need to make a commercial return to keep up the maintenance.

        If the Hume Highway had to run at a profit, we'd very quickly find out that rail was cheaper.

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          • Dave:

            12 Nov 2008 1:54:06pm

            You make a very good point here regarding free use of roads.

            The NSW government should really be charging $500 for every truck-trip on the Hume Highway. Then they might actually be able to allocate some funds to rail next year.

            We're really a bit too well-off in Australia (financially, as individuals) - some of that excess wealth should be going into sorely-needed infrastructure (NOT roads).

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      • katie:

        12 Nov 2008 2:32:23pm

        Enviromental friendly business tax offset?

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  • Mark:

    12 Nov 2008 10:54:56am

    Very well said Greg.

    Australia urgently needs a big investment in rail infrastructure both for transport and to put limits on our cities' endless urban sprawl.

    Perth, under the previous Labor government was showing the rest of Australia how well it could be done with a significant upgrading of public rail.

    Tragically the incoming Liberals have demonstrated that they are still a wholly owned subsidiary of the roads lobby by axing Labor's plans to extend the rail network, then announcing a further extension of urban sprawl.

    Sydney is in desperate need of public rail infrastructure.

    Greg Harvey is spot on - the Federal government needs to intervene to support the extension of public rail and freight rail as a matter or urgency. The matter is far too urgent and important to be left to transport neanderthals like the current Barnett government in WA.

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      • sinekal:

        12 Nov 2008 12:18:29pm

        Can I have the contract to extend Perths rail network please? At the quoted WA Labor Party figures for the Northern extension the construction cost was A$10,000 per metre. All that to still run at a loss? Bit more expensive than water canals hey ?

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          • james:

            12 Nov 2008 3:44:30pm

            highways aren't much cheaper to build and when you add the fuel savings (yes we can give a dollar value to petrol, not just an enviromental vandalism report), the costs of buying and maintaining more cars and then you can see that the new perth line was not a bad thing. $10m/km is a normal cost for an electrified rail network in an urban area, and if its getting 30,000 people on it a day, the total dollar savings make it a good investment.

            The unfortunate mentality is that roads are a service because we all have cars while rail is an expensive luxury to build. I wish we had a goverment in QLD doing what WA did, instead of more roads everywhere.

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          • Peter:

            12 Nov 2008 4:17:31pm

            I think you'll find that is the all-inclusive cost for the whole line including land acquisition, track, signalling, stations etc.. This is similar to what the Mandurah line cost. Compare with $65000+ per metre for EastLink (well this is what an article by "The Age" claims - search for "Brumby wins battle to keep EastLink costs secret". Who knows the real cost.

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      • Timmac:

        12 Nov 2008 1:47:05pm

        And it was the previous WA Labor Govt that took the most expensive route when extending the rail to Mandurah, and delivered behind schedule and overbudget and didn't bother buying additional rail cars to coincide with the eventual opening of the new line.

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          • Mike:

            12 Nov 2008 2:31:02pm

            When the project was scoped and budgeted, it wasn't forseen how much the resource boom would affect the skilled workforce in Perth. So many tradies went north chasing the money the only way to get people in was to lift the pay rates. And there was still a shortage. Yes it was over time and over budget, but it is now THE best intercity rail service in the country. Pity we haven't had the same level of commitment to rail in NSW or Vic, or at the federal level.

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  • twobob:

    12 Nov 2008 10:56:57am

    Shifting 20 per cent of Australia's articulated truck task to rail would save 400 million tonnes of fuel each year.

    If fuel was as heavy as water then this would equate to 400 thousand million litres of fuel saved each year. As fuel is lighter then this is then more. Saving this amount of oil imports to our country would see a very different balance of payments. This would make Australia richer and would equate to more work and better wages for all.

    One MUST therefore question the sanity of the Howard government who SUBSIDISED this problem by SUBSIDISING fuel used for truck transport. What great economic managers they were not.

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      • John R:

        12 Nov 2008 11:36:58am

        A March 2006 Pacific National report has that saving for a 20% shift as "at least 500 million litres per year", so one would assume its an error in the article. 500 millions litres amounts to 25L per person per year - which would be a nice saving, but not a big deal in terms of the balance of payments.

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  • Allan:

    12 Nov 2008 10:57:50am

    I would love an explanation of how Timber (for pulp/chips) can be transported within western victoria cheaper than rail. The rail is very underutilised and stands unused most of the day.

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  • Bob:

    12 Nov 2008 11:05:56am

    Good to see the Union on the front foot, and at least trying to get the agenda moving in the right direction. Rail is and will always be more enviromentally friendly, and is now even more important that the Government as part of their Nation Building plan, commit to the rapid growth of Freight moved by Rail.

    For to long road funding has taken to much of the government transport infrastructure funding (about 90%) and its now time for Rail to get its fare share.

    If Rudd is serious this is a no brainer, and should not have had to be raised by a trade union but but a forward thinking and progressive government. both federal and state.

    It's becoming clear that it take's organisations other than governments to get the debate happening and the Union should be congratuled for the article, not attacked by those who just have an ideological bent against Unions no matter what they say or do.

    Lets not forget Public Transport in this debate either.

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      • John O:

        12 Nov 2008 11:24:32am

        Agreed. We need Governement to invest in infrastructure such as rail and improved public transport. Instead we have the NSW Government scuttling two of the most important transport projects in Sydney.

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      • Mark K:

        12 Nov 2008 11:27:43am

        Reading between the lines of a comment Mr. Eddington made last week, that " a partially laden suburban train was less efficient than a car with one person in it", you have to ask whether his whole report was always intended to be skewed in favour of road rather than rail.
        I am a train driver, and it has been a while now since the trains have run around partially laden. 9PM and sometimes there is standing room only for passengers. You have to wonder if his recommendations for rail were simply included to make the report appear well rounded.
        My nap bet is that Melbourne will get another road tunnel long before it gets another railway line...

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          • Captain Swing:

            12 Nov 2008 12:40:23pm

            I fear you are correct, Mark. I bet then the state govt will get thrown out. People are sick of the spin doctors ... no matter which party they work for.

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          • cam:

            12 Nov 2008 1:30:43pm

            So instead of trying to get people out of single occupant cars and boosting the capacity of existing rail services, Sir Rod "Allco" Eddington wants to build more roads so that train occupancies fall further and more cars clog up the roads.

            And this is the man in charge of the federal infrastructure fund...

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      • Peter:

        12 Nov 2008 11:33:29am

        It's really a situation of '..If you build it they will come.."

        You can't wait for demand for things like rail to increase before you upgrade the infrastructure, nothing works like that and rail is no exception.

        Building and maintaining rail not only creates good long term jobs but makes our roads safer and the air cleaner.

        I think we need to move as much freight and commuter traffic to rail as we can. It cheap clean and efficient. Long distance trucking is simply unsafe and unsustainable.

        Being carbon neutral keeps us where we are right now - I think we need to be carbon negative. We can do that by using efficient rail, along with sustainable changes to our lifestyle.

        Want to save the planet, your wallet, and your waistline? Get out of your car and get on a train.

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  • Trev:

    12 Nov 2008 11:23:03am

    Great theory, but difficult to implement.
    Rail is efficient to operate on the right infrastructure. That infrastructure is horrendously expensive to build & most of our rail lines were designed for the early 20th century freight task.
    If you go outside metropolitan Australia, you see all the lines that have been closed because they were not cost-effective to keep open, because of old design.
    In a perfect world, a federal government (states can't afford it) would build new dual line, high-speed, freight & passenger capability that service coastal (mostly passenger) & regional (mostly freight) communities. To drive through the US & see the massive rail networks, with trains consisting of pantech trailers (the trailers the trucks haul along our roads) is a mouth-watering prospect. Imagine how much freight could be taken off our highways, making them safer, fewer emmissions, raods last longer, cheaper to maintain, etc, etc.
    Unfortunately rail is not currently sexy, but may become more so under a new carbon-sensitive economy.

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      • Brad:

        12 Nov 2008 12:27:28pm

        Road infrastructure is horrendously expensive to build too but it is politically easier to sell to the electorate. It's only when the expensive roads are gridlocked before dawn (hello Sydney) the public finds out they've been duped. It will take rail years or even decades to catch up.

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      • james:

        12 Nov 2008 3:51:52pm

        Trev, you make a good point. Its sad more isn't spent on rail and that our goverments are reactive, not proactive on the issue. When oil goes back over $140 a barrel, it will be looked at in greater depht. When oil passes $200 a barrel, i think we are going to see real action. By then, the urban sprawl will mean you will have to have the rail hub for the city at least 100km from the CBD. At least it will still mean rail will become viable.

        High oil prices have a lot of long term benefits.

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  • Steve:

    12 Nov 2008 11:26:53am

    There is no question that increased utilisation of rail makes a lot of sense. Rail however is notoriously inefficient and expensive and dominated by left wing unionism and outdated work practices. These issues need to be resolved before any Govt spends billions going down that path.

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      • Brad:

        12 Nov 2008 12:28:45pm

        Rail is very efficient and artificially expensive because road transport does not have to pay the cost of using the road. I think you'll find most of the freight rail operators work on contracts. It's only urban passenger rail which is substantially unionised.

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  • Robert Stewart:

    12 Nov 2008 11:30:08am

    The whole nation suffers from the tyranny of distance unlike any other nation on earth. Blind dependence on oil from countries that may have a purpose other than peaceful co-existence would be enough to cause a radical change to our mind set even if the cost of oil was back to $30 a barrel. It makes no sense for Australia to provide $6 billion to support the profit of corporate American car giants who do not fund R and D from the US,but from Australian banks. The Mitsubishi Tonsley plant on 64 Ha in Adelaide is idle. The machinery that made cars can be retooled to make the rolling stock and infrastructure for high speed light rail systems. At $200 million, it is a steal, with its rail line ,space for its own DC gas fired steam generators, an assembly line that would be a Mech Eng dream and a cricket pitch. Staff who live close would return. We can build silent stealth submarines that even the Americans could not detect in exercises off Hawaii and we can build an efficient electric rail system. $6 billion for the uncertain future of the car industry says we can.

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  • Captain Swing:

    12 Nov 2008 11:32:14am

    Was it Tim Fischer who once said words to the effect of, how can rubber on tar be more fuel efficient than steel on iron. I believe it is a testament to the endemic corruption in the road transport industry (remember the bitumen boeings?) that it has persevered so long. Sure there's room for a healthy truck transport industry but it pales into insignificance when we objectively look at the efficiency of rail. Is there anyone out there who thinks freeways and roads are maintenance free? Of course it would cost to build up our rail services but it is a decision we have to take. Not only for environmental reasons but economic as well.

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  • Polimonitor:

    12 Nov 2008 11:50:36am

    At last, someone has realised we have a railway network. However, it will be a lot braver government than this current mob of wimps to make the hard decision to favour rail over the truckies unions.

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      • Somewhat Perplexed:

        12 Nov 2008 1:09:56pm

        I think the current mob whimps might achieve the result through the back door.

        I am going to assuming the populatio